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Papajohn
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August 8, 2018 1:31 pm  

We are starting to see some moves designed to address the issues with college basketball. 

1. You can declare for the NBA draft and if not drafted, you have the option to resume your college career. 

2. College players can be represented by an agent after any season if they have requested an "evaluation from the NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee."

3. If a high school player has been designated an "elite senior prospect" by USA Basketball, the player can be represented beginning July 1 before their senior year.

4. University presidents and chancellors will also now be personally responsible for their athletics programs abiding by the NCAA's rules.

Plus, it is likely that the NBA will eliminate the age restriction for incoming players - but the last I heard was they were still a couple of years away on that.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/08/08/ncaa-college-basketball-reforms-undrafted-players-return-agent-rules


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Exterminator
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August 8, 2018 2:04 pm  

Outstanding. Shoulda done this a long time ago.


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Dof87
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August 8, 2018 6:25 pm  

I don't like the item 3, 'elite prospect' thing. Shouldn't be based on some comittee's judgement. They'll wind up hearing complaints from everyone they didn't choose, and that'll just be drama we don't need.

I think they should hold coaches monetarily responsible as well.

Otherwise, sounds like a good move.


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Exterminator
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August 8, 2018 6:31 pm  

That is going to be a slippery slope.


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Dof87
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August 8, 2018 6:48 pm  

Uphill?


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Papajohn
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August 9, 2018 1:36 am  

Hats off to BTP, they read the fine print. I totally missed it. 

 

"The effective date will be decided if/when the NBA and the NBPA permit high school students to enter the draft."


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Papajohn
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August 9, 2018 8:57 am  

Hats off to BTP, they read the fine print. I totally missed it. 

"Pending a decision by the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association, high school basketball players can be represented by an agent beginning July 1 before their senior year in high school, provided they have been identified as an elite senior prospect by USA Basketball.

The effective date will be decided if/when the NBA and the NBPA permit high school students to enter the draft."

 

https://www.backingthepack.com/2018/8/8/17665596/improvements-to-ncaas-awful-college-basketball-amateurism-rules-come-with-a-bucket-full-of-caveats


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Dof87
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August 9, 2018 9:15 am  

BTP did to a good job of analyzing the proposed new rules.

I find it funny that the NCAA announced these potential changes, including the one about USAB evaluating the elite players, without ever talking to USAB. That indicates a level of incompetence on how to establish new rules that work.

They shouldn't need NBA changes to do a lot of these. They can let kids return from the draft, sign agents, etc. They do need to be a lot more clear on agent signing rules and what is allowed or not in terms of money. They should apply the same rules to everyone and stop this elite player nonsense.

It seems like they are trying to figure out how to let those freshman who wouuld be one and done sign with an agent while making others wait till later. That will get messy, they just need to let any kid sign within whatever rules they establish.

Meanwhile, other noisemakers are sayiing they  need to change the amateur model. What they really mean is they want players to be paid. I never hear those folks talk about exactly how that should work and why it will help rather than just be more of the same or make thinks even worse.

 

 


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Papajohn
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August 9, 2018 9:37 am  
Posted by: Dof87

BTP did to a good job of analyzing the proposed new rules.

I find it funny that the NCAA announced these potential changes, including the one about USAB evaluating the elite players, without ever talking to USAB. That indicates a level of incompetence on how to establish new rules that work.

They shouldn't need NBA changes to do a lot of these. They can let kids return from the draft, sign agents, etc. They do need to be a lot more clear on agent signing rules and what is allowed or not in terms of money. They should apply the same rules to everyone and stop this elite player nonsense.

It seems like they are trying to figure out how to let those freshman who wouuld be one and done sign with an agent while making others wait till later. That will get messy, they just need to let any kid sign within whatever rules they establish.

Meanwhile, other noisemakers are sayiing they  need to change the amateur model. What they really mean is they want players to be paid. I never hear those folks talk about exactly how that should work and why it will help rather than just be more of the same or make thinks even worse.

 

 

Agree, well said. Especially ".... a level of incompetence on how to establish new rules that work."

After reading most closely, I wonder if this is a move to say, "Hey, we're in favor of making these changes, the problem is these other organizations - not us."  A token gesture just to get the heat on the NCAA turned down a notch or two. 


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Papajohn
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August 9, 2018 9:45 am  

The CBA runs through the 2023-24 season, with each side having the chance to opt out after the 2022-23 season. 

This is when they are most likely (they could do it sooner, but experts say this is the most likely time) to change the rules and allow HS players to go directly to the NBA.  Meaning, the players this would affect are probably still in middle school. 


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thenewclass13
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August 9, 2018 2:02 pm  
Posted by: Papajohn

The CBA runs through the 2023-24 season, with each side having the chance to opt out after the 2022-23 season. 

This is when they are most likely (they could do it sooner, but experts say this is the most likely time) to change the rules and allow HS players to go directly to the NBA.  Meaning, the players this would affect are probably still in middle school. 

Someone mentioned that LeBron's oldest son will be a senior in 2022 and he's the VP of the NBA Player's union. Chris Paul is the President.

 

I expect it to be repealed. 


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