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Paul Finebaum Said NC State is a ‘NOBODY.’ Is he right?

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Yesterday ESPN Radio host Paul Finebaum did a stupendous job of pissing off NC State fans, when he belittled South Carolina’s victory over the Wolfpack, because it was ultimately a victory over “nobody.”

“Um, no. Listen, I love all the excitement for Will Muschamp and South Carolina,” Finebaum said. “It was a big win. But outside the state(s) of North Carolina and South Carolina, try convincing anyone in America in the other 48 that beating NC State matters. NC State is a nobody, OK? One guy decided to declare NC State a final four team. As a result, oh well, NC State got beat. Oh, wow. NC State is NC State. It’s a basketball school…not even a good basketball school.” (Link)

For whatever reason, Finebaum felt the need to turn the NC State Football program into his own personal punching bag in a response to a question about the legitimacy of South Carolina’s football team.

His words sting the spirit of a lifelong NC State fan, but do they sting because they are inflammatory, or because they are true?

Many fanbase’s suffer from thinking their football team is more relevant nationally than they are in acutality, and NC State’s rabid fan base is guilty as charged. The Wolfpack fans are some of the most passionate in the nation, but Finebaum isn’t completely incorrect here. Outside of the Carolina’s, sports fans in most of the other states don’t have the NC State football program anywhere on their radar, and never have for that matter.

Is NC State a ‘nobody’? I think the word ‘nobody’ is a rather insulting title to use for a team that is historically a middle-of-the-road team. That title is best suited for teams that are regularly at the bottom of the barrel of their respective conferences, and that’s not the case for NC State.

But Finebaum is correct that NC State hasn’t proven themselves to be a ‘somebody’ in the world of college football.

Sure, they have won 7 ACC Championships, which ranks third amongst current ACC members behind Clemson and Florida State respectively, but their last one was back in 1979.

Sure, they have had some good players come through their program like Roman Gabriel, Philip Rivers, Ted Brown, Torry Holt, Mario Williams and Russell Wilson. The Wolfpack have had 7 players win the ACC Player of the Year award, which ranks 3rd in conference history, with the most recent being Philip Rivers in 2003. With that being said, NC State has never had a player win the prestigious Heisman Trophy, and  they have only had 7 consensus All-Americans, which ranks 56th amongst FBS schools. The Wolfpack have produced 160 NFL Draft picks, which also ranks 56th overall.

NC State’s 30 bowl games ranks 31st, and their bowl game winning percentage of 55% ranks 24th, but their 584 career wins ranks 60th, which ranks 10th in the ACC.

You don’t have to win national championships to be ‘somebody’ in the college football world, but you need to be a staple every year in the Top 25 rankings. The Wolfpack have spent 149 weeks in the AP poll, which ranks 55th, and have only finished 12 seasons ranked in the AP Poll which began back in 1934, with the last one being in 2002 when the Wolfpack finished 12th (the best final season ranking of any NC State team).

What does all this mean? It means, in my opinion, that the NC State football program isn’t a ‘nobody’, but they haven’t proven themselves to be ‘somebody.’

But that can change.

If I were the NC State coaching staff, I would take this exact quote from Paul Finebaum, and post it over the door the players have to walk through to leave the locker room, and I’d make them smack it as they exit. I would make it a permanent visual fixture for players to stare at.

NC State football, go become ‘somebody.’ No college football program is damned to mediocrity. I don’t buy that narrative and never will. You control your narrative boys. Go create a new narrative, with chapters and characters of consistency and prestige, that the nation can’t help but notice.

 

 

Matthew is Co-Owner of Pack Insider. He writes for all sports, with a focus on football and recruiting, and is in charge of business strategy. He is an NC State alum who majored in business. Matthew is also the lead pastor of The Point Church in Cary, NC.

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Auburn Transfer Linebacker Cam Riley Decommits from NC State

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Auburn Transfer Linebacker Cam Riley (6’5″/242) announced tonight that he is decommitting from NC State.

Back on February 26th, Riley verbally committed to NC State. Players out of the Transfer Portal don’t sign a National Letter of Intent like players out of high school, making it easier for them to change their mind.

247Sports and ESPN both ranked Riley as a Top-300 4-Star prospect in the 2020 recruiting class. 247Sports ranked him as the #229 overall player nationally in the 2020 class, the #14 Outside Linebacker, and the #10 player in the state of Alabama.

In 2020 and 2021, Riley played in 22 total games (2 starts), playing in 160 snaps, tallying 23 tackles. In 2022, Riley broke out, starting in 7 of the 11 games, ranking 2nd on the team in tackles, with 65.

This past season, Riley played in 13 games, but only started in 1. He had 32 tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss and 2.5 sacks. His PFF grade of 66.7 was the highest of his career.

Over 4 seasons, Riley played in 46 games (10 starts) for Auburn, tallying 948 snaps.

In my mind, there was a good chance that Riley was going to earn the starting role at the SAM Linebacker position at NC State, with Sean Brown at the WILL and Caden Fordham at the MIKE.

Unless NC State grabs a Linebacker out of the Portal now, I would expect Redshirt Freshman Kelvon McBride to be at the starting SAM position at the beginning of Fall Camp.

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ON3: NC State’s Dave Doeren is 1 of the Top-25 Best Coaches in College Football

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ON3’s Jesse Simonton ranked the Top-25 College Football Coaches heading into the 2024 season, and NC State’s Dave Doeren ranks 23rd.

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Here’s what Simonton had to say about Doeren:

23. Dave DoerenNC State

Doeren became the Wolfpack’s all-time winningest head coach last season, overcoming all manors of offensive ineptitude to win eight games for the fourth straight season. He still hasn’t busted through the glass ceiling and taken NC State to an ACC Championship, but the Wolfpack have legitimate conference title hopes in 2024 with the offseason work Doeren has done via the portal (quarterback Grayson McCall, tailbacks Jordan Waters and Hollywood Smothers and receivers Noah Rogers and Wesley Grimes). 

In 11 seasons in Raleigh, Doeren’s program has been steadily consistent and has become a model for development (17 NFL Draft picks since 2018) and strength and conditioning. (ON3)

ACC Coaches in the Top-25

6. Dabo Swinney (Clemson)

7. Mike Norvell (FSU)

20. Jeff Brohm (Louisville)

23. Dave Doeren (NC State)

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NC State has Produced 19 1st Round NFL Draft Picks

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The 1st round of the 2024 NFL Draft will begin this evening at 8pm on ABC, ESPN and NFL Network. NC State has had 19 players drafted in the 1st round.

NC State ranks 8th in ACC history in 1st Round Picks.

Three of the Wolfpack’s 1st Round Picks have come under Dave Doeren’s watch, which ranks 2nd all-time in school history. Chuck Amato had 5 players drafted in the 1st round, which is the most ever under a coach at NC State.

Chuck Amato – 5
Dave Doeren – 3
Mike O’Cain – 2
Dick Sheridan – 2
Bo Rein – 2
Earle Edwards – 2

While most projections don’t have Wolfpack Linebacker Payton Wilson going in the 1st round tonight, a few do. Wilson was invited to attend the NFL Draft, but he will be tuning in from his home in Hillsborough. We’ll have to tune in tonight to see if Wilson hears his name called on the 1st night of the 2024 NFL Draft.

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WATCH QB Grayson McCall’s Tape from the 2024 NC State Spring Game

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NC State will have a new Quarterback in 2024 in Coastal Carolina Transfer Grayson McCall. A few weeks back, McCall looked sharp in the 2024 Spring Game, completing 16 of his 20 pass attempts for 205 yards and a touchdown. McCall was accuracy and composure were evident in his first time playing in Carter-Finley Stadium.

Check out McCall’s tape from the Spring Game.

 

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