NC State Football
Appreciating Dave Doeren Becoming NC State’s Winningest Coach
Last Saturday, Dave Doeren became the winningest coach in NC State history. The Wolfpack defeated Miami 20-6, giving Doeren his 78th career win at NC State.
Doeren picked up his 78th win 3/4 of the way through his 11th season in Raleigh.
Doeren passed Earle Edwards, who led the Wolfpack to 77 wins over 17 seasons, which is the longest tenure of any NC State Football coach. Doeren’s tenure of 11 seasons is the 2nd longest tenure.
I know you’re not allowed to erase the 2013 season, when NC State went 3-9 (0-8 in conference) in Doeren’s first season, but indulge me. Since 2014, heading into tomorrow, NC State has the 3rd best overall record in the ACC. Yes, you read that correctly.
Clemson 115-20
Florida St 78-43
NC State 75-48
Miami 73-50
Louisville 71-53
Pitt 69-55
UNC 67-57
Virginia Tech 65-58
Wake Forest 63-58
Boston College 58-62
Duke 55-57 1
Georgia Tech 54-64 0
Virginia 50-68 1
Syracuse 47-71 1
Once again, if you remove the horrid 2013 season (I know…I know), NC State had a 38-36 ACC record heading into this season, which ranks 6th in the conference over the past 9 seasons. That’s not necessarily anything to be proud of, but it’s not anything to be ashamed of either.
Clemson – 66-7
Pitt – 45-29
Miami – 43-30
FSU – 40-32
UNC – 39-35
NCST – 38-36
Virginia Tech – 37-36
Louisville – 37-37
Georgia Tech – 31-42
UVA – 29-43
Wake Forest – 29-42
Boston College – 27-47
Duke – 25-49
Syracuse – 23-52
With that being said, in a world of what have you done for me lately, Doeren has led NC State to the 2nd best ACC conference record since 2020, trailing only Clemson.
Doeren has led NC State to three 9-win seasons, which is the most in school history. All three of those 9-win seasons have come since 2017, which ranks 2nd in the ACC only to Clemson in that time span.
Nine Win Seasons Since 2017
Clemson – 6
NC State – 3
FSU – 2
Pitt – 2
Louisville – 1
Miami – 1
UNC – 1
Wake Forest – 1
Virginia Tech – 1
Duke – 1
Virginia – 1
Syracuse – 1
(The above list reflects the fact that FSU and Louisville already have reached 9 wins in 2023. Obviously, other teams, including NC State, have the opportunity to still finish with 9 wins by seasons end.)
NC State has gone to 9 bowls under Doeren, which is also the most by a head coach in school history.
NC State has finished the season ranked in the AP Poll twice under Doeren, which is the second most in school history (Lou Holtz – 3).
Doeren hasn’t netted a 10+ win season. Only Chuck Amato did that in 2002, leading the Wolfpack to 11 victories.
He hasn’t won an ACC Championship, which hasn’t been done at NC State since 1979. The Wolfpack have 7 ACC Championships, with Earle Edwards leading NC State to 5 of them. Holtz led NC State to 1 and Bo Rein did as well.
Is Doeren the best coach in school history? No. That accolade probably goes to Dick Sheridan or Lou Holtz. I know that Edwards led NC State to 5 titles, but his overall winning percentage over 17 seasons was 46.8%.
Some of these numbers are impressive, while others leave something to be desired, and I think that’s fitting. I think Doeren is proud of what he’s done in Raleigh, but I don’t think he’s satisfied, and that’s one thing I like about him.
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Does the Addition of the UVA Series Equal the Elimination of NC State’s Series with App St.?
Earlier this week it was announced that NC State and Virginia would play one another in a home-and-home series, with the Wolfpack hosting in 2025, and the Cavaliers hosting in 2026.
Prior to the announcement, NC State already had their non-conference slate booked for both of those seasons.
As a result of the addition of the Virginia series, a previously scheduled non-conference game from each season would need to be dropped. While it hasn’t been officially announced by the school, Joe Giglio and David Glenn seem to think that the series with Appalachian State is going to be dropped.
State swaps out a home-and-home with App State for one with Virginia
Given the ACC’s stance on road G5 games, that was going to happen
The need for NCGA action, proposed bill from @DavidWillisNC becoming clearer https://t.co/vVskGttsT5
— Joe Giglio (@giglio_OG) May 15, 2024
NC STATE BACKS OUT OF FOOTBALL SERIES WITH APPALACHIAN STATE…. David Glenn Weighs in on Required #NCPOL Scheduling Bill per UNC, NC STATE, ECU, CHARLOTTE AND APP https://t.co/5sfWzmRa93 via @YouTube
— NORTH CAROLINA SPORTS NETWORK (@TheNCSportsNet) May 16, 2024
It would make the most sense, considering the Mountaineers were the only opponent the Wolfpack was scheduled to play in both 2025 and 2026. It would also make sense, considering the fact that ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips isn’t a fan of ACC teams playing Group of 5 schools on the road.
I will tell you this much. The Mountaineer faithful certainly believe NC State is dropping the series with App State, and it just takes a little scrolling on X (formerly Twitter) to get a read on their feelings on the situation.
This situation brings to mind the bill that has been proposed in the North Carolina House of Representatives that would force NC State and UNC to play App St., ECU and UNC Charlotte in Football, Men’s Basketball and Women’s Basketball.
If the addition of UVA means the elimination of App St. on NC State’s schedule, what are your thoughts? Share in the comments.
CBS Sports released their Top-25 Power 4 Coaches in College Football, and NC State’s Dave Doeren came in at #16. Heading into last season, he went into the season ranked #25.
16) Dave Doeren: The NC State coach finally gets some overdue credit. He’s always hovered around the bottom of our top 25 or just outside it, and now he finds himself firmly entrenched in it thanks to all the changes at the top. Coaches who take mid-tier programs and overachieve never get enough credit, in my estimation, and the consistency Doeren has established at NC State — where he spent most of his time in a division with Clemson and Florida State — is one of the most impressive things any coach in the country has done. I’m glad to see Doeren getting closer to the top 15. 2023 rank: 25 (+9) (CBS Sports)
Numerous CBS Sports’ analysts voted in the poll, and Tom Fornelli actually ranked Doeren #8.
ACC Coaches that made the Top-25
3. Dabo Swinney (Clemson)
8. Mike Norvell (FSU)
16. Dave Doeren (NC State)
19. Jeff Brohm (Louisville)
Kickoff time and TV Channel details have been revealed for NC State and Tennessee’s game in the Duke Mayo Classic in Week 2 of next season.
The game will be a primetime game on Saturday 7th, at 7:30pm on ABC.
This game has the makings to be a Top-25 matchup.
Here’s a look at some of the Way-Too-Early Preseason rankings for the Wolfpack and the Volunteers:
Action Network: NC State #24/Tennessee #17
ON3: NC State #22/Tennessee #15
247: NC State #21/Tennessee #11
ESPN: NC State #17/Tennessee #15
DraftKings released their way-too-early odds for the game, and Tennessee is currently a 5.5-point favorite.
Here’s the deal, as NC State fans, if we want to be a big time Football program, NC State fans need to gobble up tickets to this game. Let’s do our part and make sure that Bank of America Stadium is painted RED. Buy Tickets HERE.
NC State announced this morning that the Wolfpack and UVA will play in a home-and-home non-conference series, with the game in 2025 being in Raleigh, and the game in 2026 being in Charlottesville.
To reiterate, despite the fact that both teams are in the ACC, these games are considered non-conference games, and won’t count toward conference records. This is similar to what UNC and Wake Forest did a few years back.
Here’s what’s interesting about the addition of these games in 2025 and 2026. Prior to the announcement, NC State already had 4 non-conference games scheduled for both years.
It would be my assumption that one of the previously scheduled non-conference games for each season will not take place now.
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