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Numbers say Terquavion Smith could become the best freshman scorer in the past 20 years for State

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So far, this season hasn’t gone the way most NC State fans had expected.

A big part of that is because they lost the guy they were building their team around, Manny Bates. However, there have been some bright spots and reasons to believe the future remains bright.

One of those bright spots has been freshman Terquavion Smith.

Smith has grabbed a starting role and hasn’t looked back. The former 4-star prospect is averaging 13.8 ppg, 3.8 rebounds and 1.7 assists. He’s shooting a respectable 39% (good for 2nd amongst NC State guards) from the field and 34% from long range.

He’s been so impressive that we started to wonder. Is he the best freshman scorer NC State has had over the past 20 years?

We knew there would be some competition. For instance, Dennis Smith Jr. put up massive numbers in his first (and only) season at NC State.  But with the latest ruling on the Adidas recruiting violation case against Gottfried and the University, all of his records are officially wiped from the books.

So what would we find if we dug into the past 20 years? We knew JJ Hickson had a big freshman year, but what did he average again? What about Brandon Costner? Didn’t he put up huge numbers as a freshman? Or what about Julius Hodge. How did his numbers stack up in year one?

So we began the process of going through every roster for the past 20 years, figuring out who the freshman were, and then seeing what their scoring average was at the end of the season.

Here is what we found.

During the 2007-2008 season, JJ Hickson averaged 14.8ppg. With Smith taken out, this is the highest scoring average for an NC State freshman over the past 20 years.

There was also the 2006-2007 season, where redshirt freshman Brandon Costner averaged 16.8ppg. However, that was his second season at NC State. He played 5 games as a true freshman before a stress fracture ended his season. That year he was playing just 13 minutes per game and averaging 2.8ppg.

As for Julius Hodge, he averaged 10.7 ppg during his freshman season.

There were a few others we had overlooked in our initial brainstorm. For instance, Maverick Rowan dropped 12.9 ppg as a freshman during the 2015-16 season, TJ Warren finished with 12.9 ppg as a freshman during the 2012-13 season, and CJ Leslie scored 11 ppg during his first year in 2010-11.

That’s it for the double-digit freshman scorers over the past 20 years. And Smith still has a majority of his season left to play.

Now, Smith could start to drop off as ACC play starts up, but it’s not likely as he’s been a big producer in almost all of the Pack’s games vs. quality opponents. He finished with 14 vs. Miami, 21 vs. #1 Purdue, 17 vs. Louisville.

In fact, your argument would be better for him actually increasing his production as the year goes on. Over the past 6 games, Smith is averaging 18.6ppg and has looked a lot more aggressive over that span.

If Smith keeps up that pace, he will easily surpass JJ Hickson’s 14.8ppg and could approach (and pass) Brandon Costner’s 16.8 ppg he put up during his redshirt freshman season.

Even if he doesn’t eclipse Costner, he’d still be in NC State’s record book as the best TRUE freshman scorer over the past 20 years.

Note that both Dennis Smith Jr and JJ Hickson were both 5-star prospects and both one-and-done lottery picks, putting Terquavion in elite company for true freshmen scorers at NC State. (Brandon Costner was also a 5 star.)

Smith has a ways to go, but if you’re looking at the numbers, it’s easy to see that this kid is a very rare talent and an elite building block for Keatts and the future of his program.

 

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Rev
Rev
1 year ago

Rodney Monroe, 1991 ACC POY, started ZERO games as a freshman but averaged 11ppg

Rev
Rev
1 year ago
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His FG% was 45% and FT% 83% for his career! Terq must take better shots.

Papajohn
Papajohn
1 year ago
Reply to  Rev

or else he’s a lock for most shots taken by a freshman.
Keatts always says, your not too worried about a guy who scores 20 points if he takes 25 shots to get it.

Papajohn
Papajohn
1 year ago

I think you could go back further and would find that Terq stands up well much further than 20 years. Way back, the freshmen didn’t play varsity ball, so Thompson, Burleson and the great historic players aren’t in contention. So you’re probably only going back about 50 years – freshmen became eligible in ’72. Just spot checking some scorers I remember, Monroe was only 11 ppg, Shackelford got 10, Washburn got 10, Fuller, Bailey, Whittenburg, Feggins, Lowe, Gugliotta, Thomson, Corchiani were all under 10 as freshmen. Our guy is special. Give him another year and he’ll be a better all… Read more »

Papajohn
Papajohn
1 year ago
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Just remembered Hawkeye Whitney, a scoring machine in the late 70s for Sloan. Averaged 14.6 ppg.

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Wolferetti: Feed me my crow. NC State lost to Creighton and I’m here to break it down (and admit I was wrong)

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I was wrong.

I thought this matchup was a good one for NC State. I watched a lot of Creighton this year and to me, they looked like a team that NC State could roll over. Let me explain why.

I knew a few things. I knew Nembhard was a PG that could get a little out of control if sped up. I knew with a little defense and physicality, Sheierman could be made uncomfortable. I knew Kalkbrenner was a good defender but was going to sink on the pick-and-roll to protect the basket.

Joiner’s pull up just wouldn’t fall

I figured that Joiner, the pull-up king would be taking that DJ Burns screen, getting to the middle, and pulling up as Kalkbrenner sank. I figured Smith would exploit this as well. Well, turns out Joiner was off and couldn’t get his pull-up game going and Smith, well yeah Smith did exploit this pretty well.

Burns didn’t look like Burns

The other thing I’d figure would happen is that I thought DJ Burns would really frustrate Kalkbrenner. If you’ve looked at games where Kalkbrenner had to face a really good, physical back-to-the-basket big man, those bigs usually had pretty good games in the scoring column.  I honestly don’t understand what happened to Burns in this one. Sure he got a few stupid early fouls, but before he even picked up a foul he looked out of it. With no double teams coming, Burns is usually calculated, slowly backing you down and hitting you with a flurry of head fakes, pump fakes or spins. If the big doesn’t bite, Burns can fade away, go with a contested hook shot, or pass out.

In this game, Burns looked sped up for some reason. The first time he got the ball he quickly backed in and threw up a hook that rattled out. Not awful, but usually you see him probe a little more. Then the next time he didn’t even look for contact, instead, he threw up a little floater that didn’t fall. While neither were awful shots, both were uncharacteristic of Burns. On top of those things, he looked absolutely gassed within minutes of coming in. My guess is that it was the altitude, but either way, it took a toll on him.

Whatever it was, it had him frustrated and he had two really bad fouls where he just shoved Kalkbrenner (he also had a phantom foul that was ridiculous). That said, it just wasn’t his night and this made NC State a lot more one-dimensional.

Casey Morsell came to play, but this NC State roster just wasn’t built to get a guy like him going, which is a shame. Jarkel Joiner was a huge reason why NC State got to where they got. His scoring ability, his speed and his toughness and leadership skill were huge. But Joiner is a scoring guard, and great basketball teams need POINT guards.

What is a point guard, and why can’t we have one?

A point guard isn’t just a guy who dribbles it down. It’s a guy who understands the games within the games. Guys who dictate pace, call plays (sets) and are essentially coaches on the floor. NC State and Kevin Keatts never had that this season, and while you can get a long way with scoring guards and good big men, you’ll never compete for anything of worth until you prioritize the skill set of a true point guard. I think that has been NC State’s problem for years, and I find it kind of insane that coach after coach falls into this idea of having a scoring guard play as a PG for more offense to get on the court.

This is no shot at Jarkel, either. The guy was one of my favorite players to watch on this team, but it just is what it is. He is a scoring guard who happens to be slotting in at PG. When you see Keatts bring in a guy whose priority is getting his guys open and dictating pace, then you can start to believe that this program may be close to arriving. Until then, sneaking into the tournament and hoping guys get hot hands is as good as it gets.

Look at Kihei Clark (Virginia’s PG). I know it’s not a great time to be talking about Clark, whose errant pass ended up losing the game for Virginia on Thursday, but look at Clark’s build.5’10, 170lbs. Look at his stats. Mid-30s shooting % from 3. Hight 70s from the FT line. The guy is nothing special when it comes to the numbers, but he’s a leader and he distributes the basketball to the right guys at the right time. Tony Bennett has started Clark for 4 years despite the fact that he’s coaching a team that is always in the running to win the ACC and won a national championship less than 5 years ago.  He could replace Clark with an elite, tall, athlete at any moment. But he doesn’t. Why? Because he understands what I’m talking about. It’s a puzzle that coaches need to put together, and one piece of that puzzle is a guy like this.

I was wrong about this game. I thought things would play out differently. They didn’t. I’m not blaming anyone in particular, but the makeup of this team vs. the makeup of teams that play deep into March are different. Maybe this is step one to getting there. We’ll have to see how the roster shapes up next season.

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VIDEO: NC State falls to Creighton 72-63 in first round of NCAA Tournament | Extended Highlights & Box Score

NC State came out flat, DJ Burns looked gassed, and for the most part, the Pack looked shell-shocked vs. Creighton from the opening tip. However, Terquavion Smith is excluded from all of that. He was amazing and in what was likely his final game at NC State, he kept the Pack afloat, dropping 32 points on 12-25 shooting. In the end, it wasn’t enough as their big man, 7’1 Ryan Kalkbrenner went for 31.

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NC State came out flat, DJ Burns looked gassed, and for the most part, the Pack looked shell-shocked vs. Creighton from the opening tip. However, Terquavion Smith is excluded from all of that. He was amazing and in what was likely his final game at NC State, he kept the Pack afloat, dropping 32 points on 12-25 shooting. In the end, it wasn’t enough as their big man, 7’1 Ryan Kalkbrenner went for 31.

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VIDEO: Smith, Joiner and Keatts talk in postgame press conference

Terquavion Smith, Jarkel Joiner and Kevin Keatts meet with the media after 72-63 loss to Creighton in the NCAA Tournament.

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Terquavion Smith, Jarkel Joiner and Kevin Keatts meet with the media after 72-63 loss to Creighton in the NCAA Tournament.

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Wolferetti: 3 reasons why NC State is going to win today

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God bless these guys over here at PI. I submitted this article to them this morning and got this back.

“Joey, this is a good piece, but are you sure you want to come out and say that NC State is going to win? Why not just do a ‘keys to the game.’ or something? Hedge your bets. Why are you always wanting to put your reputation on the line?”

To that I say, “Nah, I’m good. I want my reputation on the line. What fun is this if I’m not callin’ it like I see it?”

Look, they’ve been worried about me stating outlandish opinions before. Like when I said after game #1, after I first laid eye on this team, that it was going to be a team that will flirt with or get into the Top 25? I got hammered for that, but was I right? And today I’m back on my prediction tip, telling you that NC State will survive and advance. And here are my 3 reasons why.

1. Creighton hasn’t fared well against teams with great Turnover Margins.

If Creighton has a glaring weakness, it’s turnover margin.

NC State’s turnover margin ranks 16th in the NCAA. Creighton’s is a miserable 291st. This means Creighton turns the ball over a lot and doesn’t create many turnovers. Meanwhile, NC State is the exact opposite. They create a lot of turnovers and really protect the basketball. This statistic right here is going to play a major role. The Creighton guards, especially Nembhard, can get sped up, and when they do, they can get sloppy and out of control. Meanwhile, Joiner and Smith flourish at top speed.

Let’s look at the one team that Creighton lost to every time they played them (and played them multiple times). That team is Marquette.

What do Marquette and NC State have in common? Well, they are both Top 20 in the nation in Turnover Margin. Marquette ranks #3 in the NCAA while the Pack is 16th. Creighton turned it over 18 times in their first meeting at Marquette. The second time these two teams met, Creighton turned it over 15 times.

The other teams they faced in the Top 50 of Turnover Margin in the nation?

#39 Arizona State
#10 Texas

That’s it. And guess what, Creighton lost every single one of those games. They have yet to beat a team in the Top 50 in Turnover Margin.

Reminder. NC State ranks 16th.

2. Large, back-to-the-basket bigs have fared well against Creighton

6’9, 245lb, Adama Sanogo from UConn dropped 17 against them in a win.

6’9, 215lb, Oso Ighodaro from Marquette dropped 16 on them in their first meeting, and then 18 in their second.

6’7, 220lb, Bryce Hopkins from Providence scored 20 on them in both meetings. One of which was a win.

All of these guys are big, strong, back-to-the-basket bigs and all of them bullied their way to huge games again Creighton.

In all 3 instances, Creighton refused to double-team on most possessions and the big men ate. So how will they deal with a big that is bigger than any of these guys?

DJ Burns is 6’9, 275lbs and he’s going to be a focal point for NC State in this game. If Creighton opts to play Burns straight up, history says they are going to have a long night and Burn is going to have a big game.

3. Creighton hasn’t seen guards like Joiner and Smith

Sure Creighton has quick guards. Nembhard, the 6’0 PG rarely gets a matchup where he doesn’t have a quickness advantage. Today, against Joiner, he won’t have one. There is so much talk about Creighton’s guards bottling up their opponents, but watch them play and you’ll see that they simply haven’t had to face guys like Joiner or Smith. Creighton will allow the floor to be spread and will not fight against playing this game at a fast pace, and those are the types of games we’ve seen the NC State guards feast.

Creighton is a very good team. They have some very good pieces, but I just think they’ve found themselves in a matchup that isn’t very good for them despite being data-darlings. I could be wrong, but to me, this looks like a game where people are reading off statistics and making assumptions without watching film. Without looking at each team’s Achilles heel. And without really breaking down the matchups.

I think this is a really good matchup for the Pack and I think I’ll be back talking to you in about 24 hours looking at who the guys will play on Sunday.

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