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Offseason Basketball Preview: The Wings

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In our last installment of our ‘Offseason Basketball Preview’ we examined the Wolfpack’s guard situation, which really seems to be shaping up nicely.

Today we’ll take a closer look at the wings. In case you were wondering, we’re saying ‘wings’ because this year’s NC State team is pretty interchangeable. I don’t think they fit neatly in the 1 through 5 mold. Instead I think you have guards, wings and bigs. Your only real true position guys are Barber (who is obviously a 1), Lee (who only really fits in at the 2), and Anya (who isn’t really versatile enough to play anywhere but the 5), everyone else is kind of going to float for this team. Let us explain…

Historically, your 3 man is a slasher. Someone who is 6’6 or 6’7 and can attack off the dribble, post a little bit, shoot a little bit and stretch the defense. They are guys that are decent rebounders and have the versatility to defend both big 2’s and small 4’s. I think State has a lot of these type of guys, however, I think you’ll see them floating between the 2, 3 and even sometimes the 4 when State needs to go small.

The most obvious wing on State’s roster is Ralston Turner. With Lacey and Barber both likely to start, Turner moves down to the 3 in place of TJ Warren. Turner is really more suited for this position than the SG position he played most of last year. Reason being, he’s really not that great at putting pressure on the D by attacking from the perimeter. With Warren gone, State will need both Barber and Lacey to put pressure on the defense by penetrating. That should open up some good looks for Turner, who thrives when he’s getting clean looks from 3.

Gottfried has a lot of options here, especially when you start realizing that you can go with a 3 guard lineup that has Dez Lee at the 2 and Lacey at the 3. However, I really don’t think you’ll see this very often unless Lee really starts to demand minutes with his play. Dez is one guy that is really going to have to prove his worth this season if he wants significant playing time. I do think he has the skills and really could blossom this season, but he’s going to have to put his head down and earn his minutes every day in practice.

With that being said, Lacey is one of the most versatile guys on this roster. He’s going to be able top play point when Barber needs a breather, but he’ll also be able to slot in at the wing if need be. At 6’3 he’s a little undersized but he’s got a strong frame and could be the big guard in a 3 guard lineup. (Again, I think this will be a rare occurrence).

The more obvious choice, aside from Turner, will be the Martin twins. A few years ago it seemed as if Caleb Martin would come into college as a big 2 and twin brother Cody would end up as a true 3 (or undersized 4). Last year Caleb played well at Oak Hill but kind of confirmed that he’s more suited for the 3. He was much more effective when he didn’t have to get to the basket off the dribble, which makes sense for a guy that’s 6’7 and not uber-quick.

At the same time, I do think that Caleb could slot in at the 2 if State were in a pinch, but with Lee, Turner and Lacey all better options, I doubt that will happen much. More likely you will see Caleb spell Turner at the 3 from the get-go and let his play dictate his PT from there on. Right now he has a lot of catching up to do as he’s recovering from a foot surgery he had done over a week ago. Don’t worry though, as Gottfried is expecting him back before practice starts for the season.

At the 3 Caleb is a very good shooter, a pretty decent creator off the dribble and someone who i just an all around solid player. He’s versatile, a good defender and will mature into a true scoring threat. This year he’ll get his minutes, but I think you’ll see that it’ll take some time for him to adjust to the physicality of this league. He’s big, but he’s going to get frustrated with the handsy, physical defense the ACC refs allow.

So with 2 real viable options at the 3 (and Lacey possible being pushed down if Dez Lee demands minutes), where does that leave Cody Martin? Well, that’s a good question. Cody was always seen as the question mark between the two brothers, but it was never because of his skill. He’s always been a very good talent, but had focused more on playing in the paint and becoming a great defender/rebounder. With Cody being a thin 6’6 in high school nobody really knowing if he had the versatility to play the 3 at the next level, he was being looked at as a small 4 and really just a true ‘tweener.

But a lot changed last year. Cody started emerging more on the perimeter. He became more versatile and started to sure up his handle and his shot. I still think he’s much less polished than Caleb in those areas, but he’s making improvements. I still think Caleb will be a key piece to this team. He’s a lot tougher and more willing to mix it up in the middle than his brother. He’s a guy that more suited for those sloppy grinders State always finds themselves in against teams like Virginia or that heartbreaker against St. Louis in the NCAA Tournament.

I think Cody will certainly find his niche. He’s too good not too. In fact the Martin twins have always been two of my favorite pick-ups that State has made in recent years. These are two very talented kids that work hard and are extremely coachable. These are guys that are willing to work through adversity. They won’t run or start talking transfer if they don’t see minutes early on. I’m very excited to have these guys on this team.

So there is your ‘wing’ breakdown. I think State is very deep here and Gottfried has so many options with this group. The real challenge is going to be figuring how and when to use all of these talented pieces.

Next week we’ll get talk about what we think is going to be State’s biggest area of improvement from last season…the bigs. We’ll talk about the body transformation of Beejay Anya, the improvements of Kyle Washington and the impending arrival of a guy who could change the whole identity of this team– Abdul-Malik Abu.

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NC State is a Slight Underdog in ACC Opener vs. Boston College

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NC State (4-2) will play their first ACC game of the 2023-24 season tomorrow on the road against Boston College (5-2), and they enter the game as slight underdogs. The Wolfpack are 1.5-point underdogs, and the Total is 150.5.

  • NC State is 0-2 Straight Up as underdogs
    • BC is 4-1 Straight Up as favorites.
  • NC State is 2-4 Against the Spread.
    • BC is 4-3 Against the Spread
  • The Total has gone Under in 2 games for NC State, Over in 3 and Pushed in 1.
    • The Total has gone Under in 3 games for Boston College and Over in 4.
  • NC State is 6-4 in their last 10 games against BC Straight Up.
    • NC State is 4–6 Against the Spread in their last 10 games against BC.
    • The Total has gone Under in 5 games, and Under in the other 5.

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#5 NC State 70 Vanderbilt 62: BOX SCORE (with notes)

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The 5th ranked NC State Women’s Basketball team improved to 8-0 tonight, defeating Vanderbilt 70-62 in the inaugural ACC/SEC Challenge.

Notes

  • Saniya Rivers scored 20+ points for the 2nd time this season, scoring 22 points on 8 of 14 shooting. She also chipped in 8 rebounds and 2 steals.
  • River Baldwin posted her first double-double of the season. She scored 12 points and grabbed 10 boards.
  • Aziaha James has now scored in double figures in 7 of 8 games, scoring 14 points tonight, shooting 6 of 10 from the field and 2 of 3 from beyond the arc.
  • Freshman Zoe Brooks led the Pack in steals (4) and assists (4).
  • NC State didn’t shoot well, making only 39% of their shots. Fortunately, they held Vandy to 34.3% shooting.

The Wolfpack will host Illinois State on Sunday at 2pm.

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NC State Stat Leaders Heading into the ACC Opener vs Boston College

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This Saturday, NC State heads to Boston College for the now-annual early ACC opener. The Pack will face off against the Eagles at 4pm on ACC Network. Here is where the team is statistically after 6 games.

  • Casey Morsell leads NC State in scoring with 14.5 ppg.
  • The Pack has 4 double-digit scorers this season. Morsell (14.5), Jayden Taylor (13.3), DJ Burns (13) and DJ Horne (11.2)
    (Last season State had 4 double-digit scorers as well. Terquavion (17.9), Joiner (17), Burns (12.5) and Morsell (11.8)) 
  • After their top 4 scorers there is a big dip. Parker comes in at 6.8, O’Connell at 6.3, and Middlebrooks at 5.5 ppg.
    (Last season Jack Clark was 5th on the team in scoring at 9 points and Mahorcic was at 8.7. However, both guys missed a large chunk of the season.) 
  • Burns is leading NC State in rebounding this year at 5.3 per game. Diarra is next with 5.3 (but is currently hampered by an ankle injury.) 
  • O’Connell is leading NC State in assists with 3.3 per game, and Burns is up next with 2.5. PG DJ Horne is only averaging 2.
  • LJ Thomas and Mike O’Connell are tied in leading the team at .15 assists per minute.
  • Jayden Taylor is leading NC State in 3pt %, shooting an outstanding 45.8%, while Morsell is up next at 34.6%. Horne is close behind at 33%.
    (LJ Thomas is shooting 50% from 3, but only has 2 attempts.) 
  • Burns is leading the bigs, shooting 56.5% from the floor, while Middlebrooks is close behind at 54.2%. Dennis Parker Jr is coming in at 45.2%.
  • For the guards, it’s Casey Morsell leading the way at 44.6% from the floor, while O’Connell is next up at 43.4%. Taylor is shooting 42.4%, and DJ Horne is struggling a bit, shooting just 34.8% from the field.
  • Jayden Taylor is turning the ball over the most at 1.8 times per game, while Burns is next at 1.7. Morsell is at 1.5 and O’Connell is at 1.2. DJ Horne has been doing a good job of protecting the basketball, turning it over just .3 times per game.

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NC State 52 Ole Miss 72: Box Score (with notes)

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NC State’s Men’s Basketball team lost it’s second straight game tonight, losing 52-72 on the road at Ole Miss in the inaugural ACC/SEC Challenge. Below is the Box Score with some notes below.

Notes

  • Ben Middlebrooks posted a double-double, with 13 points and 12 boards. To be honest, Middlebrooks was the only bright spot in this game.
  • Casey Morsell was the only other player to score in double figures (12 points), but it wasn’t pretty, shooting 5 of 14 from the field.
  • One of the poorest statistical shooting performance I can remember.
    • NC State shot 31.8% from the field and 12% from three (3-25).
  • The Wolfpack’s DNA on defense is turning over their opponent, and they were unable to do so tonight, turning over the Rebels only 7 times.
    • For comparison, the Wolfpack turned it over 13 times, giving them a Turnover Margin tonight of -6.
    • Heading into tonight, they averaged a Turnover Margin of +7.8.
    • Ole Miss scored 13 points off of turnovers, compared to NC State’s 4.
    • This is the first time this season that NC State failed to force their opponent to commit at least 10 turovers.
  • NC State was -25 when D.J. Burns was on the court, which was the worst on the team.
    • NC State was +3 when L.J. Thomas was on the court, and +2 when Ben Middlebrooks were on the court. They were the only two players in the positive.
    • Thomas and Middlebrooks should have earned themselves some more playing time going forward.
  • Ole Miss’ length was problematic for the Wolfpack, blocking 9 of their shots.

There will be more analysis on this game coming tomorrow.

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