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Thoughts on Mack Brown’s Hurt Feelings and Dave Doeren’s Response

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After NC State beat UNC for the third straight year on November 25th, Wolfpack Head Coach Dave Doeren was recorded in the locker room saying “You know it’s been 1,460 days since those pieces of s*** beat us.”

Well, it looks like Mack Brown’s feelings are still hurt.

In Brown’s National Signing Day Press Conference today, out of nowhere, not pertaining to the topic of the day whatsoever, he decided to address Doeren’s locker room banter.

“In our last ball game with a rival school after the game, the head coach of that school called our players a piece of s***, and I apologize for that language, but I’ve never heard something like that before. I’m disappointed. I thought it was classless. It’s not true. Number one, we didn’t play well in the game. We didn’t coach well in the game. It’s been very well documented and I got that, but you don’t call kids a piece of s*** and I’ve addressed it with our team. I apologized to them.

“These kids are one of the top academic groups in America. They got an award for AFCA’s top 13. They’ve won a Coastal division. They’ve won a bunch of games. They’ve been to an Orange Bowl, been to five-straight bowls. They represent us. And from me speaking for them and their parents, they really didn’t appreciate being called a piece of s***. Never heard that before. Very, very disappointing, but, it is what it is.”

A member of the media in Doeren’s press conference today, brought up the fact that Mack was in his feels during his press conference, and asked for a response from the Wolfpack head coach.

“You should have heard what I said about myself and my own team after we lost to Duke in that locker room. First of all, when we go to these meetings, we’re supposed to get notice that there’s a camera in our locker room. That was not done.

“I have a lot of regret that that was on TV because it shouldn’t have been. When you go into the locker room with your team, that is a private conversation unless they ask if they can be in there with a camera. That was not asked. That doesn’t give me an excuse to have that public. But that’s what happened. No one told me.

“If I knew I was on camera, my language would not have been what it was. Does it make it any better? No? I did call coach and apologize because I could have used a lot of different words. It caught me in the heat of a moment situation in the locker room. Celebrating a huge win. I was fired up about how we played.

“I have respect for Coach. Last thing I wanted was for him to feel that. Again it’s not an excuse, but it shouldn’t have been on TV. I think there’s a thousand coaches out there will tell you that if we had to apologize for everything we said in the locker room, we’d probably spend a lot of time doing that. It’s a place where a lot of emotion comes out. I could have said that in a much more professional way. I regret not doing that. What I don’t regret is having passion with my players and celebrating the big win. I’m going to continue to do that.

“Hopefully down the road we’ll get the courtesy that we deserve when we’re going to be on TV in those moments. I understand their side of it. It’s signing day, I’d rather talk about that.”

So many thoughts, but before I get to mine, Rob McClamb and Brad Crawford sum it up well.

I’ll share a couple of my own.

First, Brown addressed NC State as “a rival school” and Dave Doeren as “the head coach of that school.” Refusing to say “NC State” and “Dave Doeren” was petty and silly. With that being said, Brown spending time to talk about NC State, unprompted, at his National Signing Day Press Conference, is simply gold. NC State living rent free in Brown’s mind 25 days after defeat, is what I like to see.

Second, I’m not advocating for the use of profanity, but all I know, is I played High School football, and for Brown to say “I’ve never heard something like that before” is a flat out lie. That banter happens in locker rooms every single week, at every level of football. The only difference is, this time there was a camera rolling, unbeknownst to Doeren.

Third, while Brown thinks Doeren’s words in the locker room were “classless”, the fact that Brown went on this rant after Doeren already called and apologized after the game, is “childish.”

Fourth, Doeren’s words in the locker room weren’t saying the student athletes weren’t intelligent, or hadn’t won football games. They were words directed at a rival football program…a rival school…not specifically the individual players (again, not advocating for Doeren’s language). The fact that Brown felt the need to lay out a list of accomplishments on and off the field of his players, felt like a parent awkwardly going overboard sharing about how wonderful their kids are in a moment of insecurity.

Fifth, this is a football rivalry.

Sixth, Doeren’s response was perfect. Raw, humble, apologetic, and realistic.

Seeing Brown complain about NC State unprompted, who isn’t ‘really a rival’ according to their fanbase, at a National Signing Day Press Conference, and then not take any questions after his comments and proceed to walk off set…is priceless.

Matthew is Publisher and Co-Owner of Pack Insider. He is also the Lead Pastor of The Point Church in Cary, NC.

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NCSUgrad1975
NCSUgrad1975
4 months ago

Carolina puts the ASS in class.

NCSUMets
NCSUMets
4 months ago

Not that I want UNC-Cheats to ever do the right thing but Mack should have listed all of his team’s and players’ accomplishments and then welcomed his next batch of recruits. It would have been the right way to celebrate the new players and left little doubt that it was a dig at what DD said.

Instead, this seems to be his reaction to State flipping Keenan Jackson at the last minute.

wolfpack74
wolfpack74
4 months ago

We as Pack fans have seen and heard a lot worse from the most arrogant classless shits from Carolina. If they don’t like get beating then leave the state.

Wolfpack78
Wolfpack78
4 months ago

Seventh – Its Carolina, who gives a shit if their feelings are hurt!!

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CBS Sports Ranks Dave Doeren as 1 of the Top-20 Coaches in College Football

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CBS Sports released their Top-25 Power 4 Coaches in College Football, and NC State’s Dave Doeren came in at #16. Heading into last season, he went into the season ranked #25.

16) Dave Doeren: The NC State coach finally gets some overdue credit. He’s always hovered around the bottom of our top 25 or just outside it, and now he finds himself firmly entrenched in it thanks to all the changes at the top. Coaches who take mid-tier programs and overachieve never get enough credit, in my estimation, and the consistency Doeren has established at NC State — where he spent most of his time in a division with Clemson and Florida State — is one of the most impressive things any coach in the country has done. I’m glad to see Doeren getting closer to the top 15. 2023 rank: 25 (+9) (CBS Sports)

Numerous CBS Sports’ analysts voted in the poll, and Tom Fornelli actually ranked Doeren #8.

ACC Coaches that made the Top-25

3. Dabo Swinney (Clemson)

8. Mike Norvell (FSU)

16. Dave Doeren (NC State)

19. Jeff Brohm (Louisville)

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The game will be a primetime game on Saturday 7th, at 7:30pm on ABC.

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This game has the makings to be a Top-25 matchup.

Here’s a look at some of the Way-Too-Early Preseason rankings for the Wolfpack and the Volunteers:

Action Network: NC State #24/Tennessee #17

ON3: NC State #22/Tennessee #15

247: NC State #21/Tennessee #11

ESPN: NC State #17/Tennessee #15

DraftKings released their way-too-early odds for the game, and Tennessee is currently a 5.5-point favorite.

Here’s the deal, as NC State fans, if we want to be a big time Football program, NC State fans need to gobble up tickets to this game. Let’s do our part and make sure that Bank of America Stadium is painted RED. Buy Tickets HERE.

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NC State and UVA Agree to Home-and-Home Non-Conference Games

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NC State announced this morning that the Wolfpack and UVA will play in a home-and-home non-conference series, with the game in 2025 being in Raleigh, and the game in 2026 being in Charlottesville.

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To reiterate, despite the fact that both teams are in the ACC, these games are considered non-conference games, and won’t count toward conference records. This is similar to what UNC and Wake Forest did a few years back.

Here’s what’s interesting about the addition of these games in 2025 and 2026. Prior to the announcement, NC State already had 4 non-conference games scheduled for both years.

It would be my assumption that one of the previously scheduled non-conference games for each season will not take place now.

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